Good quality, but as with most Pearl Izumi mtn shorts, the outer shorts are way to big for the inner shorts. I am a solid medium (31 inch waist) in most shorts, and the inner shorts fit great. But the outer has to be fully cinched up with the adjustment tabs, and it's still big. Why can't they make the outer short to fit like the inner? It's like they mate a large outer with a medium inner. I really hope they see this feedback, as I love the quality of their shorts, and would really like to be able to wear their mtn modelsLittle too large I ordered the xl and have a 32 inch waist but 6'5". The Velcro on the sides works great and the padded shorts can be cut out if you like to wear shorts with out the padding. Really happy with shorts.Excellent breathing, feels well made. The liner pad does not bunch up and stays right where its needed. I am a size 32 and these size mediums fit great but I have the velcro waist adjustment at its largest setting. Additionally, I thought the liner was removable, as in I could wear it with other shorts. The liner is sewn to the pants at the pack. I plan to cut them loose which looks easily doable. This just surprised me is all.I though that the shorts contained a padded seat. I was disappointed that they didn't but decided to keep them anyway since they fix well.Good shorts, little longer than I expected and the mesh panel is great for cooling but looks a little funny when you are off the bike.2 day 34 mile ride and no pain. Good pad and shorts. Comfortable and adjustable. Looked good on the trail.Love these shorts! The liner is not what I usually ride with, but it does work. The shorts themselves work great and accomplishes what I need, which is to get off my bike and go into restaurants or stores. Great purchase!love them bit long but does not distract the ride